Curse

Age · Jun 22, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

First of all, Heal Other is a crap skill end of. 2ndly I play a monk in PvE/PvP (mostly in HA and GvG TBH) and if u dont bring energy mangement, u screwed and u will be kicked from the group. PvE isnt that different. If u think the only e-management u need if the BR from an SS necro, u rly dont know how to play a monk. In PvE I always bring 5 Healing Skills, 2 energy management skills and a rez. ATM my e-management skills in PvE are energy Tap and Inspired Hex. And I very rarely hav e-problems.

Its only 2 skills, and u can keep ur friends alive for much longer without screaming "z0mg u n00b necro! give me a BR!!!"

I wonder what skill you used before you capped heal other as it is the nonelite to word of healing?I never had problem with my energy mangement as I switch my wand to a staff or a sword or axe.This brings my energy downbut it doesn't take that long to get back up to full.I may put a stance or two in for defence like if I am going to infuse I would want balance stance oh and bonetti's does work with out balthazars spirit and gives you enrgy back as long as you aquire a target no different than tap or drain.

Count to Potato · Jun 22, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

btw u would avoid the abuse if u healed, and if the people were more educated at monking, since i play monk and war i no what it is like to be on each side

Tokmax · Jun 23, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Monks are holy intellectuals. People should appreciate monks because they are the backbones of almost every team.
I played with every character, my monk was my first and I still enjoy playing Monk the most.
Just ignore the abuses, don't forget that you are on a holy mission!!

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 23, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Tokmax

Monks are holy intellectuals. People should appreciate monks because they are the backbones of almost every team.
I played with every character, my monk was my first and I still enjoy playing Monk the most.
Just ignore the abuses, don't forget that you are on a holy mission!!

QFT! I feel special now...I'm on a holy mission! ^.^

Mayh3m · Jun 23, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

well since I play in Faction we are SHORT on monk omg its impossible to find a SINGLE monk in whole faction. Iv been playing monk since 4 month now i finaly change my mind to create one but yea ppl are very mean with us : "why you didnt heal me!" or "Do your job monk" So yes it is true that they treat us like henchies we nothing to them if we dont do our job we suck and bye bye. Well Maybe that why theres NO MORE MONK now and ITS A REAL PROBLEM GUYS! We need to be polite with them and I know how hard is it to be a monk now a day so plz guys if you bunch of warriors need healing well start to treat them like real ppl and maybe monk player will be back on track!

Fox Reeveheart · Jun 23, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

well the biggest reason you almost never see monks in factions (I noticed this too)...

RITUALISTS ^_^

I see much more advertisements for healilng rits than for monks around there o.o.

I bought factions for 2 reasons... Ritualists and reef lurkers <3

First thing I did when I got factions was make up a rit who is currently 16. >.O (only had the game for about 5 days now and only had a small amount of time to actually play it). And I am thinking about switching his build to around a healing type... but I fear that us rits will be the next in line to see "OMG WHERES THE HEALING, YOU NUUB RIT!"

infact i'm going to make a thread about stuff along that line.

KeroMoon · Jun 23, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by JYX

As a mesmer, I'm seeing a lot of bad hexing, disruption and condition use being blamed on the monk......they don't want to contemplate that maybe in the nth second someone should have laid down an interrupt or shadow of fear or enfeebling blood, health bar goes down faster than it goes up...who's in charge of it going up? monk...who's to blame for it not going up fast enough? monk.

The sooner people realise this isn't just a game about warriors and eles blasting out health and monks sticking it back in again, the better.

I LOVED THIS! It just says it all.... I play a monk and believe me those little red bars get plenty of attention. It is nice when ppl tell me "gj" or "thx for that save", but I consider it said when we have worked as a team and no one dies...

Cottage Pie · Jun 23, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Astraea Zopyros

QFT! I feel special now...I'm on a holy mission! ^.^

HALLOWED ARE THE ORI!!!

CorstedPirate · Jun 23, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

It seems like people always bring up the "elitist monk" issue. I have been playing for nearly 10 months and I can count the elitist monks I have met on one hand. The real problem is that people join PUGs and expect everyone to have done it at least once. People expect team work to happen automatically with strangers that you can't really talk to if you are doing your job.

I really don't like to be suprised, so I try and find out what people are packing. If I know what their focus is, I will have some idea what they will be doing. It helps me keep people alive a bit easier.

It just makes sense to interview the group before starting the mission. Not cause I want anyone to change anything, but so that I will know what is going on. Just a couple days ago I was starting an explorers group for the bonus area of Dunes of Despair. I was perfectly willing to stay and help people finish the bonus. From what I was asking them though, they were not going to be willing or able to do what was required for full exploration of that area. No one else had a teleport skill, and they weren't going to bring vamp weapons. Some of them wanted the bonus too. So, they were either lying or pretending ignorance of what was needed to do both. Maybe I was in the wrong to change my mind about grouping with them. Maybe that exploit has been completely fixed in a recent update. They still didn't come across as a group that would be willing to work together very well.

SirNutWad · Jun 23, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

OK, maybe I'm just pissed right now, but whoever ...posts angry is likely to get edited.
One more thing. people shold really think what others did rather than just bitchin on the monk. sorry for the swears.

EDIT: It's usually a good idea to calm down before posting. -Swampgirl

Ashley Twig · Jun 23, 2006, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Monk bashing again. Sure why not. Though you should keep in mind that every profession offers players who can't play their profession.
Comon mistake in mursaat missions: you always get at least one person who's not infused.

"Huh? What is infusion???"

Another lovely mistake: you always get somebody on your team who doesn't have the right armor level

"I am always broke and couldn't afford Drok's armor"

So who needs monks anyway? In PvE, if you're careful enough, you might do a lot of missions without them, if your team has self-healing skills.
I recall doing "Titan Source" with 5 rangers and me (ele). They were either 2nd-monk or had healing spring and we were just doing fine.

I strongly agree with the idea of letting people die if they hardly do any damge and waste your energy.

I once even let a fellow monk die (while I was a monk) in "Defending Denravi" because he was plain stupid.

Believe it or not, we were better off with just 5 and one dead monk than with 6 and 2 monks alive.

It's funny to see, how, sometimes, one whacko can ruin the whole thing.

Silent Kitty · Jun 23, 2006, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Yesterday, when some partymembers already died twice and everybody was on about 20% health while poisoned with miasma, I asked "Please heal someone." Our monk was a lvl 16, who I thought was capable of at least heal for 80 - 100 health each 3 seconds.
My Assassin lost the chance for a survivor title that mission, but what can you expect when having a complete unknown healer in your party.
When you want survivor title don't expect a stranger healer to care.

KamikazeChicken · Jun 23, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by Tan Blademaster

First of all, Heal Other is a crap skill end of. 2ndly I play a monk in PvE/PvP (mostly in HA and GvG TBH) and if u dont bring energy mangement, u screwed and u will be kicked from the group. PvE isnt that different. If u think the only e-management u need if the BR from an SS necro, u rly dont know how to play a monk. In PvE I always bring 5 Healing Skills, 2 energy management skills and a rez. ATM my e-management skills in PvE are energy Tap and Inspired Hex. And I very rarely hav e-problems.

Heal Other has its place on a monk's bar, depending on the type of monk being run at the time. It's rare that it does find a use, but it's not "crap" or worthless. Crap skills would be something like O. Cry or Seeping Wounds. >.>

In GvG you'd most likely be running a Boon Prot, and those do require energy management (ED/MoR/inspiration line/rarely OoB). In HA you could be running nearly any monk, but most run e-management in the form of channeling/ihex/rhex/other inspiration skills. In PvE there's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to use a skill slot on energy management, unless you run a skill like ihex/rhex. Heal spammers are quite capable of being run entirely on monk skills (that's the ideal setup), but I'd never let a monk run etap in my group.

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

I once even let a fellow monk die (while I was a monk) in "Defending Denravi" because he was plain stupid.

He wouldn't have been a "healer" who spent half the time casting life siphon, spiteful spirit, and healing breeze, would he? I clearly remember letting that monk die; why on earth do I need an energy sink? >.>

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About 50% (or more) of the monks who take abuse actually deserve it. It's up to that person to determine whether they're able to properly run a monk or not. All criticism should be taken with a grain of salt because most players (Some do, so don't ignore everything off the bat. Look at it and determine whether it's decent advice before dismissing it.) don't know enough about monks to try and provide anything useful.

Ignore people who flame, and feel free to let energy sinks die, in the middle of heated battles. One person shouldn't be the reason an entire team ends up wiped because the monks are left drained.

Don't be an ass who "forgets to heal" a vocal idiot because you're then no better than they are. If someone pisses you off that badly, either suck it up and keep them alive (assuming they're not an e-sink) or whisper the other monk to take full responsibility for their health. Do NOT rage quit because you've just punished everyone else in the group for absolutely no reason. Leave the group as soon as you hit the next outpost, but don't abandon people in transit!

Be willing to let a monk take full control of leading a mission, even if they're not the party leader. I've been one of the last to join a party, and I've then had to lead the entire team through it. Sometimes I'm the only person who's been through the mission before, or I'm the only person with knowledge of a certain task (like Tyrian bonuses). I prefer not leading the party because it's a distraction from my role as a monk, but I'm more than willing when the situation ABSOLUTELY requires.

Don't be an arrogant idiot. Yes, you're a commodity that can get in nearly any PuG, but you'll never be the greatest thing to grace the GW community with your presence. Hench are more than capable of taking the monking role, and they're actually superior to humans in some ways (reaction time, etc.). If you can't be polite and civil, I hope the group kicks you from the party. Only people who give respect will receive respect, and good players will always be hepful and patient with new/inexperience players.

I'm honestly just tired of this thread and all similar to it. Lots of players are bad at playing their character (Not because of differing "play styles," but lack of skill/experience), and this holds true for every class in the game. No single class is abused or hated on more than the others, except for possibly assassins. People need to stop taking comments over the internet as personally as they do sometimes, and just play the game to have a fun time. Ignore the downers and try to play with people you know you'll have fun with.

/end whatever the above is. >.>

Rahl · Jun 23, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

My quick fix is henchmen

I used them in Canthan for EVERYTHING except missions, because I knew it wasn't gonna cut it.
They worked great, and if we died, I KNEW it was my fault soley (or was it Devona's for aggroing after I pinged myself 20 times..?)
I've been abused, like a lot of the other monks. So I switched to EU servers a few days ago.... NONE of the monk abuse. If someone died, they rarely said anything, and waited patiently to get ressed. No names, or anything. It was great :P

bete · Jun 23, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Astraea Zopyros

QFT! I feel special now...I'm on a holy mission! ^.^

"We're on a mission from God..."

"We're putting the band back together..."

Stupid memory;-)

wsmcasey · Jun 23, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

I have a new lvl17 monk that I re-made a few weeks back. I posted yesterday in a monk thread about not having problems like this on my old monk, and I didn't. However, that was over a year ago, and I did noticed a difference last night in the way I was treated when I played my monk.

I was doing the "Closer to the Stars" mission, and I took so much abuse that for the first time in my Guild Wars experience I almost quit a group. Our warrior, ele, and MM repeatedly aggroed mobs when I didn't have energy or when I was using rebirth at the end of a fight to res 1 or 2 dead players (it didn't help that the warrior was using frenzy!), and it didn't help that the ele kept trying to pull mobs. Half way thru the mission, I had to flat out tell the warrior that if he used frenzy one more time I wouldn't heal him or rez him when he died, and sure enough he did it again and died. The MM was the real jerk of the group though, because when I stated that I need energy or to please slow down he would just tell me to "shut up and do your job monk!" Him and another guy would say that your the only one complaining and your ruining the group. My reply was that I was being responsible and trying to keep the group alive -_-. It was so funny because everytime I pinged my energy (4 out of 49), the warrior would ping his health (485 out of 505) and run into the next mob using frenzy! Needless to say, the group failed miserably and I had to start over with a new group. The next group didn't have these problems, and we breezed thru the mission.

I can only come to the conclusion that alot of people are acting rude towards monks in general because of several bad seeds that give the class a bad reputation. They even referred to me as "MONK", not by my character name. It's like some people total disconnect the fact that a monk character is being played by a real person. Maybe thats because of the lack of monks and people using healers henches most of the time now? I kinda felt like a healer hench.

examples of why people act rude towards monks now:
1)55 farming monks
(associated now with bots that that equates to nerfed farming for others)
2)monks that hire out there services to run missions.
(associated with greedy people that care only for themselves.)
3)monks with Uber elitist attitudes that put others down and control others.
4)the lack of monks for important missions just pisses people off in general.

I don't have a problem with examples 1 or 2, but I do have a problem with the elitist attitudes that some monks try and play god and act like you can't get by without them.

There's nothing you can do about it really, we have to accept the fact that Guild Wars is no longer a fresh new game, and that some people become jaded as time goes on.

Silent Kitty · Jun 23, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

It was so funny because everytime I pinged my energy (4 out of 49), the warrior would ping his health (485 out of 505) .

Lol, that is so true. Every time when I tell them my energy, all the party members start spamming their weapons, health and energy, completely spamming away what I was trying to say

sigried · Jun 23, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Im confused i thougt that there is only one monk in Tombs, it has always been only one monk in tombs not sure after the nerfed of the MM but i still think it is only one monk.

I play my self as a monk and last time there was this sin tellin me that were is the healing i just simply replied you are just a waist of energy.

there is no problem with monk dude the problem is in the team.

main resons

1. bad agro by tanks.
2. rush
3.when you run don run back to us cu we will not be able to heal (monk= primary target)

4. its not a crapy paper armor its more expensive even that tanks dude.

Bad Apache · Jun 23, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by sigried

4. its not a crapy paper armor its more expensive even that tanks dude.

Expensive... but still paper!

Death Heavens · Jun 23, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Im sick and tired of the abuse as well, thats why my monk only gets to go to UW to 55, or to help guildies.
If anybody complains I reply: Didn't you know? its always the monks fault!!!!111oneoneone.
I usually stop healing jerks, that solves the problem more often than not.
As I said, its ALWAYS the monks fault, apparently...